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Wildcat Sports => Basketball => Topic started by: cf0102 on March 27, 2012, 02:44:22 PM
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Alright. Lets do this thing:
New Mexico's Steve Alford
http://www.golobos.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/alford_steve00.html
Harvard's Tommy Amaker
http://www.gocrimson.com/sports/mbkb/coaches/amaker_tommy
Duke Associate Head Coach Chris Collins
http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=152858
South Florida's Stan Heath
http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=847595
Xavier's Chris Mack
http://www.goxavier.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/mack_chris00.html
Illinois State's Tim Jankovich
http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jankovich_tim00.html
Florida Assistant Coach John Pelphrey
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=6100&ATCLID=859144
Vanderbilt's Kevin Stallings
http://www.vucommodores.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/stallings_kevin00.html
Marquette's Buzz Williams
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/williams_buzz00.html
Oklahoma Assistant Steve Henson
http://www.soonersports.com/school-bio/steve_henson.html
Oral Roberts Head Coach Scott Sutton
http://www.orugoldeneagles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17000&ATCLID=1104326
KSU Assistant Coach Brad Underwood
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=2028
Saint Mary's Randy Bennett
http://www.smcgaels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=21400&ATCLID=1504493&Q_SEASON=2011
Former Duquesne Coach Ron Everhart
http://www.roneverhart.com/bio.html
Others?
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I hear Venables is available...
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I've taken one name off of the list and begrudgingly added a couple more
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Buzz Williams is the only SLAM DUNK I see on that list. I put the likely hood of us getting him at about 5%.
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Of the many candidates who will likely come forward for the Kansas State job, Oklahoma coach and KSU alum Lon Kruger doesn't look like he'll be one of them. Kruger shot down rumors on Tuesday in The Oklahoman.
Sooners assistant Steven Henson, however, openly expressed how much he'd like the job. "K-State is a dream job for me," Henson told the newspaper. "It's home. It's my alma mater. There are so many ties and connections. It's a great place, a great town, a great university. I'd love a shot at it for so many reasons."
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This is what sucks. We just lost a Head Coach with huge credibility (developed at K-State) and have a chance to go get a great Coach due to the state of our program.
BUT in typical K-State fashion I think we'll make a Ron Prince hire. I hope they prove me wrong.
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That's what I'm afraid of. I hope Currie's head is on the chopping block.
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Confirmation Steve Henson has formally expressed interest to John Currie about HC opening. Lon Kruger is highly recommending him.
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as long as it is a current D-1 head coach I'll be happy. Do not want some crappy assistant because they played basketball at K-State 40 years ago.
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With Buzz Williams $2 Mill, as big of a dream it would be to get him I think it would be nothing more than a pipe dream at this point. He honestly is the only coach out there that would be a Slam Dunk hire like So. Carolina got yesterday.
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I agree with schoonercat. I don't want to say "who?" when the hire is made.
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Right now I only want Buzz #1, Mack #2, or Smart #3. All others will disappoint me. IFFFF I had to go with someone I didn't want, order would be Marshall then Boyle. I do not want Henson. I rather risk Underwood then Henson.
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I rather risk Underwood then Henson.
From the mouth of a neighbor of ours, you would not.
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That's extremely interesting. I can't think of anyone on anyones list that loves K-State more then Underwood. Guy would take on Snyders schedule to ensure we were successful. Frank would have been in big trouble last year if it wasn't for Underwood completely taking the team in a new direction with the offense. He knows the players well (prob recruited over half of them). He knows everything about the program and being a head coach. Would I prefer that he start off at another school then come back to K-State in 5 or so years... maybe if some big proven names had interest, but otherwise I wouldn't hang up the expectations with him if he was hired.
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I received and emphatic NO and they weren't alone when asked about him being HEAD Coach.
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Kellis Robinett @KellisRobinett
Not much of a surprise here, but I'm hearing K-State reps have informed Larry Eustachy he won't be considered for the job.
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I'll remove him from the list
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Heard NC States Lutz name thrown out there, and like it or not I heard Bruce Weber was in town the Tuesday
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If we hire Bruce Weber I will request my Ahearn donation back. We would have had a coach LEAVE us then hired one who was FIRED and refused interviews by other schools.
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Going to agree with Lynch here. Also, a good amount of Weber success was on the coattails of Bill Self. Also anyone seen the tweets Reiter had about Bill Snyder's comments yesterday? There is so much junk flying around its hard what to make of it all.
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I did not see those. Could you please share.
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On It.
Bill Reiter ? @foxsportsreiter
Made calls today & heard this doozy: Frank Martin, while trying to decide what to do, was told by LHC Bill Snyder he should "get the hell out."
Bill Reiter ? @foxsportsreiter
Clarifying: The tone of Snyder's comment, as told to me, was, "Don't blame you. This AD is a problem. Escape while you can
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Here's my question now.
EMAW @kstatenation
IF the AD vs. Frank issues are true, and Frank went public about it and said him or me, who would still be here?
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Defiantly a question worth asking. The problem with this whole deal is that there is a lot of opinions and hearsay floating around and very little confirmed facts.
Either way Frank's gone, and its extremely important that a quality replacement be found. I just don't like seeing more things that run against Currie due to the fact that gaining a reputation of having a toxic Athletic Department scares away quality coaches. This is not to say that Currie deserves his job, though.
My thoughts: UPKS and ADJC need to get there act together and learn from this whole mess.
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I've got another name for you
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I am starting to actually get very excited about this search. We have Gottlieb basically telling everyone how this is such an elite place right now that I think we can bring in a very big name. So worst worst case we promote Underwood... OK! that's a perfectly fine hire imho. Take a gamble on Doug and I can finally see a top 5 recruiting class. He has more connections then anyone out there. Don't take a gamble and get someone like Boyle... this could all turn out very well for us. I will miss Frank, but look what he got us, and elite place.
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Here is who Kellis says will NOT be receiving K-state attention
http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2491 (http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2491)
Mark Fox
Kelvin Sampson
Bruce Pearl (Obviously)
Larry Eustachy
Lon Kruger
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Here is who Kellis says will NOT be receiving K-state attention
http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2491
Mark Fox
Kelvin Sampson
Bruce Pearl (Obviously)
Larry Eustachy
Lon Kruger
Good! I'll update my list accordingly!
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Now I'm hearing whispers of former Duquesne head coach Ron Everhart and even ESPN analyst Doug Gottlieb. My confidence that our beloved AD is going to blow this is growing by the day.
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The Gottlieb thing is getting insane. Twitter is all up in a frenzy about him, and I am 100% sure GoEMAW is behind the push for this. Thankfully our AD DOES have common sense (bad judgement) and will not make that hire.
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You guys crack me up. Been loling at people thinking we are going to get an amazing coach. WE ARE K-STATE. We had a very power house football program and only managed to get Prince. #1 ranking in 98, Big 12 champs in 03 and tons of 10 win seasons and when Snyder retired, we got Prince. Once Prince got fired, we got Snyder back, no top tier name out there, we got LUCKY and had Snyder wanting back in. Prayers answered as no top name is going to come to Manhattan to a football school to coach football. Now after basically a few successful years in basketball at a football school, we think we can pull a big name. LOL. We have to look outside of the box (Promote Martin for example, bring Hugs back from the dead...) and pray that it works. We got lucky twice, it wont happen again. Start forgetting any coach who is good and start planning/looking at people like Gottlieb. Keeps the excitement up, gets good recruit, and (if lucky) can coach the good recruits. cf, if the name is recognizable and they are coaching a successful D1 program, mark them off the list. Who does that leave us with? That’s the list we need to keep working.
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Valid argument.
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Couldn't resist making this
Gottlieb of Doom!
(http://i.imgur.com/cZY7O.png)
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So help me God, ADJC if you EVEN CONSIDER replacing our Ferarri with a Pinto.........
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Press Conference today at 3pm. Speculation the hire will be named and it's Bruce Weber.
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Source?
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CBS 810 everywhere
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Yep. Ok. Thoughts?
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Jake on Twitter:
"I support K-State for life no matter what but I'm not a Bruce Weber fan and I think K-State can do alot better"
"Bruce Weber didn't think I was good enough to play at Illinois and I don't think he's good enough to coach at Kansas State"
"This is just my thoughts like I said I support my school regardless and losing a staff as good as we had is tough to replace"
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Weber is dried up. His teams started to suck, his recruiting started to suck. Could this be associated to Illinois and not Weber.... Maybe, but he has no excuses next year, so we will know our next five year fate quickly. Not completely opposed, but thought a few better candidates available that would actually have come. Something must have been said during the interview that got Currie behind him, cause this isn't a big hire name for the resume.
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I disagree a little. I wanted a "wow" and at least I think that this is a "wow"! Welcome aboard HCBW.
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Current Kansas State head coach Bruce Weber
http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/weber_bruce00.html
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This is a terrible hire...Currie must be fired.
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Why?
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Jeff Goodman ? @GoodmanCBS
Kansas State needs to understand what it is. No big-time current coach was coming to Manhattan. Bruce Weber is good move.
I guess of course I already knew that. My problem is... This isn't even a risk, we just know he can't win big and can't recruit big. He sucked a few weeks ago and Currie thinks he will wake up in a harder place to recruit and all of a sudden be awesome. I wanted a risk hire like Underwood or Doug so that I at least had HOPE.
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I agree with Goodman. Although I have a higher opinion of our program obviously.
He HAS been to a national championship game and won Big 10 titles. As far as the recruiting aspect is concerned, if that is a weakness, hopefully he'll surround himself with the right people.
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I might be mistaken, but didn't he go to the national championship game with Self's recruits. He hasn't really done alot since then, and his teams and records have slowly deteriorated to where he finally got fired.
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Bottom line is we hired a coach that got FIRED because he sucked and lost a coach who was wanted by many.
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Yeah but all coaches have their time come up at their schools eventually.
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Weber is probably a better X's and O's guy, but bottom line is if you can't get good players into Manhattan KS...you are going to have problems. Weber was decent in Illinois recruiting, but bringing them to Kansas is a little tougher. I can't believe Currie made this hire. I would have rather seen Hensen. At least he has a passion for KSU
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That's why it's imperative that he surrounds himself with the right assistants. In no way would Henson have been as good a hire. If you're going to run Frank off you MUST replace him with someone with a track record and that's what has happened.
Weber's first 4 years at Illinois
80% winning %
75% Big 10 winning %
4 NCAA Tournament appearances (8-4)
Weber's last 5 years at Illinois
57% winning %
46% Big 10 winning %
2 NCAA Tournament appearances (1-2)
So obviously we hope it goes more like his first 4 years than his last 5 years
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55-66 in the last six years in the Big 10. That's not a very good track record.
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See my last post
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I guess time will tell...Currie will be getting a lot of flack over this. All the other forums are super P.O.'d about this hire...I wouldn't want to be Currie right now.
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If it works he's a genius. If it doesn't.....
Andy Katz basically said that he stayed at Illinois for one year too long and that shouldn't take away from the fact that he coached in a national championship game.
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Where can I view the press conference at 3:00??? Is that Central time?
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WIBW.com
K-StateHD.tv
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Yes
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Tanx!
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He looks good in purple
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I am still not happy about this.
Glad to hear Currie say one of the qualifications was he knows how to use a lawn mower and can pick up dog crap...
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Got this from my brother who has a friend who is an Illinois fan:
Recruting:
He is not a bad recruiter, the problem in the past has been he is a brutally honest guy. He won't sugar coat things for kids and he will tell them where he believes they stand. Jerrance Howard got credit for some guys that Weber actually brought in. He is a little awkward and doesn't relate to the kids too well, but he is a very good person and parents of recruits take to that well. At Illinois he went after kids that he felt he had too... based on their ranking and the Illini community's perception of the player. If he is left alone to go get the guys to fit his system, I think he will be just fine at K State.
Coaching:
He is a very good x's and o's guy, but he really only has one style of coaching and doesn't adapt well to guys that don't fit his system. He only plays man to man defense and doesn't switch defenses to confuse other team's offenses. However, his defenders play hard... or they don't play. His offense is really reliant on guards that can handle the ball and penetrate. If that guard doesn't exist on the team, the offense will really struggle (like the Illini offense has the last 5 years). You will see a lot of possessions where they make 12 passes, pass up 2 good shots, and take a bad one with 3 seconds to go on the shot clock. That could have just been personnel, but it was consistent after the the Deron Williams/Dee Brown/Luther Head trio left. But when it was working when those guys were in Champaign, it was a pretty thing to watch.
Media:
Bruce will win over the local media with his brutal honesty. But he did make some enemies with players by throwing them under the bus in postgame interviews. If they played bad, he tended to let the media know who played awful. That motivates some kids.. but others it alienates and hurts their trust in him. He's an awkward interview, but again.. a very good, honest person.
Overall:
Bruce is one of the good guys in the business. He will not break or even bend the rules to get a recruit (which is why he missed on so many Chicago kids). The guy still uses coupons at the local grocery store... he is very humble and down to earth. His time at Illinois was up, they expect Sweet 16's consistently in Champaign... the crazies expect Final 4's every other year... and he wasn't doing the job. I think a fresh start for Bruce will be good and I do think he will have success if he's left alone to do his job and get the kids he wants/needs to fit his system. I wish him the best and with K State the best with him as well.
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The big problem with this is the old adage "Nice guys finish last". In todays market, in order to compete...you have to be a little deceiving. Thank your brother for the analysis, but it didn't give me a "warm and fuzzy" feeling about the hire.