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Wildcat Sports => Football => Topic started by: cf0102 on October 02, 2011, 11:56:46 AM
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections?season=2011&week=5
Alamo vs. Arizona State or
Holiday vs. Washington
:huh:
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
Cotton vs. Georgia or Arkansas
Who do you want?
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Cotton Bowl against Arkansas would be awesome!
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Very unlikely. Cotton always takes Texas or TAM if they are eligible & available.
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Careful The3ears, Cotton Bowl reps were at the Tech game. They are feeling the KSU love. No question I would join the masses to watch us at the Cotton Bowl.
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Cotton Bowl Tickets are sold out for now. I think if K-State goes we could get some sweet deals on craigslist or ebay. Please let this happen :)
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
Cotton vs. either Arkansas or Georgia
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I would love to see lhcbs sporting an updated Cotten bowl jacket.
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Yes the one he is currently wearing looks like it might need a replacement.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections
Cotton vs. Georgia or
Insight vs. Michigan State
All in all yesterday's whoopin' didn't hurt us too bad!
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
Insight vs. Nebraska (wouldn't that be interesting) or
Alamo vs. Arizona State
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I think we will get Cotton if we win out.
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We will get Cotton if we win out and beat A&M by a large margin.
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I don't think how much we win by will matter. Cotton bowl is #2 Big 12 team (or #3 if 2 get in BCS). I will throw a few options out there with % chance.
We play A&M, then Texas, then ISU
Texas plays Mizzou, Us, A&M, and Baylor
A&M plays Us, KU, Texas
So one of them is going to get a loss since they play each other. Texas has a crazy hard schedule left, all away games against good teams and us at their house. If they run the table, they get Cotton no questions. Same with A&M though, they run it they get it, and same for us.
Running the table odds:
65% - KSU - We get A&M at home and ISU (lock). We also have played very well on the road, so Texas is doable.
35% - Texas - 4 games left.. 3 on the road. On the road at A&M (ouch), and Baylor (who ever knows)
45% - A&M - We will be their hardest matchup on the road, KU (lock) and Texas at home (nod to A&M).
So now some likely options:
--If we win out and Texas wins out minus us. We would be at 7-2, they would be at 6-3. No tie, we are clearly #3.
--If we win out and A&M wins out minus us. We would be at 7-2, they would be at 5-4. Again, no tie.
So that shows that if we win out, we are going to the cotton assuming OU and OSU make BCS bowls (Start cheering them on).
Since I see @ Texas as our hardest game left. Lets roll some options if we lose that but win the other two:
--To get A&M out of the equation, the assumption is we beat them (cause heck, if we lose A&M and Texas, we don't deserve Cotton). That puts them again at 5-4. If we only lose to Texas, we are 6-3, so no tie with A&M.
--If Texas beats us and loses to their next hardest game (A&M), they would be at 6-3, but so would we, Texas easily gets the nod.
This is exactly why the experts have Texas projected in the Cotton vs us. The chance of them beating us in their house and then losing one of the top games left against A&M or Baylor is extremely likely, but would still yeld a 3rd place.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
Cotton vs. Georgia
13th in the BCS
16th in the AP
17th in the Coaches
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Combined with our win and Texas's loss this weekend looks like we are back with a solid projection for the Cotton Bowl all across the board (Ubben, Schlabach, & Edwards). I will say this, I in no way shape or form want to play Georgia. Their offensive style and the shear talent of Aaron Murray does not match well for us, I would strongly prefer South Carolina.
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I was just about to say that I've seen S. Carolina as a possibility elsewhere
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The SEC blogger has them picked for the Cotton, and Georgia to go some place else. I would assume the reason behind that is they are expecting Georgia to both play and lose to LSU in the SEC championship, which may result in SC getting the Cotton Bowl nod.
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Either way, its the Cotton Bowl. We just went from last years Pinstripe Bowl to the Cotton Bowl.... enough said.
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My understand is that Cotton is the next in line to pick after the BCS. However, it is not required for Cotton to pick the team that has the next highest conference standing. If we are 9-3 (loss to TEXAS) and texas is 8-4, Cotton will pick texas over us.
Here is what I think of our chances:
BCS: We needs:
1. Win out with a final BCS rank of 8 or higher, and only Conf Champs (SEC, B12, ACC, P10, Boise or Huston) and SEC teams (BAMA, Ark, SC) rank ahead of us.
2. OSU wins out and goes to the BCS Champ game, OU lose two more games (BSC will pick a 2 loss OU over us)
3. Stanford lose another game.
Cotton: We need:
1. Win out, or win at least one more AND UT lose at least two (at AM & @ Baylor)
2. OU and OSU both has one loss (Both are picked by a BCS).
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Wouldn't the Cotton take Oklahoma or Oklahoma State if both of them don't make the BCS?
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My understanding is that the Cotton would take the clear #2 (or #3 if 2 bcs bids for the conference). If we finish 9-3 and they(Texas) is 8-4 with a win over us, I believe they would still take us. Though, lets say for some reason we ended with the same record and we beat them head to head, we are still technically tied and they would likely take Texas over us.
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This is not always the case. A&M was not the clear #2 last year, yet they still got the Cotton. I think for some reason Cotton will take a Texas team over any other team if they have the opportunity.
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From what my tiny history look back showed was, clear #2/3 based on conference record, they went. If a tie in conf record, they picked between those teams. Being in two different divisions led to many ties. This year it wont be as bad. Time will tell what they do, but this wont be worth talking about unless we are clear #3 team in Big 12 based on record.
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I think it's going to be hard not to be clear #3 unless we lose out.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
Still Cotton vs. either Georgia or Arkansas. I was mad that they didn't put us in the Orange Bowl but this bowl might actually be more prestigious at this point.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
Cotton vs. Arkansas but we're going to be playing Houston in the Sugar Bowl if Michigan doesn't get eligible for the BCS. I think we need to be Wisconsin and Georgia fans this weekend.
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Some notes from reading up on new projections:
Michigan's 40-34 victory over Ohio State ended a seven-year losing streak to the Buckeyes, but it didn't do much to boost the Wolverines' BCS rating. In fact, the Wolverines actually fell from No. 15 to No. 16 in the latest BCS standings, after Wisconsin jumped them.
But Michigan still seems like a safe bet to grab a BCS at-large berth -- possibly an invitation to play No. 6 Houston in the Jan. 3 Allstate Sugar Bowl -- after finishing 10-2 under first-year coach Brady Hoke
The No. 15 Badgers play No. 13 Michigan State in the inaugural Big Ten championship game in Indianapolis on Saturday. The losing team figures to drop out of the top 14 of the BCS standings, which would leave the winner as the only Big Ten team ranked in the top 14.
Under BCS rules, a team must finish in the top 14 of the final BCS standings to be considered for a BCS at-large berth -- unless there's only one team from its conference in the top 14. So if only one Big Ten team finishes in the top 14 of the final BCS standings, Michigan could still receive an at-large bid as long as it finishes in the top 18.
That is a blow to the BCS chances.
I still am split on our chances to the Cotton bowl. 3 loss OU could still make a bigger match up with Arky then us, so not sure who they would actually pick. If OSU losses, one would think they could snag another BCS, if not they should be a lock for the Cotton. Lets just say, I got my Dallas and San Antonio hotels reservations ready. Riverwalk would be more fun for a mini vacation, but a SEC match up would be more exciting to watch, so I am game for w/e.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7288154/projecting-bcs-matchups-teams-bid-cfb
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl
When: Jan. 5, 2012, 8:30 p.m. ET on ESPN
Current prediction: Oklahoma State Cowboys vs. Stanford Cardinal
Next up for Oklahoma State's spot (Big 12): Oklahoma, Kansas State
Next up for Stanford's spot (at-large): Michigan, Houston, Boise State
The winner of the Oklahoma State-Oklahoma matchup will land here, unless the highly unlikely happens and the Cowboys wind up in the BCS title game. Under that scenario, the Fiesta would almost certainly take Kansas State over OU.
Stanford is a likely candidate for the other slot, but it's also possible that if Oklahoma State wins the Big 12, the Fiesta could choose Houston here, because on paper that would be the biggest track meet in BCS history. Just for the sheer entertainment value of seeing those two offenses playing each other, I can certainly see the Fiesta considering Houston in that spot.
Michigan is also a possibility if the Wolverines make it into the top 14 of the BCS standings (more on that later), but the Fiesta could also pick Boise State if Oklahoma is the Big 12 rep. The Sooners would be appearing in the Fiesta for the fourth time in the past six years, and the bowl would need to do something to energize the OU fan base.
Allstate Sugar Bowl
When: Jan. 3, 2012, 8:30 p.m. ET on ESPN
Current prediction: Michigan Wolverines vs. Houston Cougars
Next up for Michigan's spot (SEC): Kansas State, Georgia, Alabama
Next up for Houston's spot (at-large): Stanford, Boise State, West Virginia, TCU
It's not a slam dunk at all that Michigan will finish in the top 14. They're going to sweat this one out, I can promise you that. The best-case scenario for the Wolverines is that the teams close to them in the standings drop by next week (if LSU crushes Georgia, that'd be a big help). If they don't make it, the Sugar could look to take Kansas State here. Georgia can earn a bid by beating LSU and winning the SEC, while there's a very slim chance that Alabama could get jumped in the BCS standings and wind up in the Sugar.
If Houston keeps winning, this is a likely destination for them. If the Cougars take a loss, Stanford and Boise State become at-large options here, while TCU could get an automatic BCS bid based on being the highest-ranked non-AQ school conference champion.
I think the moral of the story is Go Georgia (or at least keep it closeish)!
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Well if that read from CF and this one http://espn.go.com/colleges/oklahoma/football/story/_/id/7288524/with-win-oklahoma-state-cowboys-oklahoma-sooners-make-fiesta-bowl (http://espn.go.com/colleges/oklahoma/football/story/_/id/7288524/with-win-oklahoma-state-cowboys-oklahoma-sooners-make-fiesta-bowl), I am feeling better about having a top tier bowl with a win over ISU.
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Deff need to beat ISU obviously. But lets not forget that we are K-State and get screwed SO bad by bowl selections that new rules are created due to how badly we get screwed (see 1998).
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I think we need Baylor to beat Texas because if that happens Baylor will jump Michigan and prevent them from stealing our Sugar Bowl bid.
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I was asked a question last night if I would rather have a BCS bowl or a share of the Big 12 Championship, since both are not possible.
I would rather have the BCS bowl. Knowing how much crap I gave ku for saying they were CO Big 12 north champs a few years ago when they lost the head to head against mizzou would not feel right saying we are CO big 12 champs when we lost the head to head against the other 2 "CO" teams. We desperately need to get back to a true Championship game and have a clear winner. In my mind the head to head will always be the clear winner.
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I was asked a question last night if I would rather have a BCS bowl or a share of the Big 12 Championship, since both are not possible.
I would rather have the BCS bowl. Knowing how much crap I gave ku for saying they were CO Big 12 north champs a few years ago when they lost the head to head against mizzou would not feel right saying we are CO big 12 champs when we lost the head to head against the other 2 "CO" teams. We desperately need to get back to a true Championship game and have a clear winner. In my mind the head to head will always be the clear winner.
I'd go BCS bowl as well.
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Fans would prob lean 60/40 towards a BCS bowl. The team would probably lean 90/10 towards a Big 12 championship. I doubt Snyder put a goal of going to the NC, I doubt he had a goal of going to a BCS at large, I doubt he had a goal of just getting 6 wins and a bowl game. Their goal had to be Big 12 championship (and of course, "getting better each game"). With our win Saturday and and OSU loss, those players will get rings proving that they went through the crazy new round robin schedule and won 10 games. Doesn't matter who they beat (besides KU), doesn't matter who they lost to, they tied 2 other teams with 10 wins to share the title. I would rather be the team sharing the title that lost to the other 2 top teams and not got upset by some lowbie team. Snyder can hang his hat proudly knowing that the coaching staff and players gave their all and won the games possible, and lost the games not possible, with no unexpected losses. That's stability that will serve us well for the next few years. Big 12 championship ftw.
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We beat ISU. Houston lost. Ok State is winning. Chances at tasting sweet sugar?
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VT prob needs to win so they don't take an at large.
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I thought we needed OU to win?
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We needed OU to wim to get a share of the Big 12. We need OSU to win to get a chance at the BCS Sugar bowl
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Rivals: Sugar bowl against: Michigan
BCS Guru: #8 in the BCS
Sources:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-college_football_bowl_projections_120311
http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/
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Woooooot! Going to be a long day.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions
Sugar Bowl
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ESPN still has us in the Cotton Bowl but they have an agenda. Since they're in charge of the BCS games this year I'm a little concerned.
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If espn had a say LSU would already have the Natl Championship trophy
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WTF!!!!! Screw this bcs crap!
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Should have made a statement and turned it down
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Ok, it's a crock, but you knew the BCS bowls would screw us.
Playing Arkansas in the Cotton isn't a bad deal, though.
I do feel bad for Oklahoma State. They, in my opinion deserved the bid to play LSU...
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What I don't understand is that we are told that college football has a playoff, it's called the regular season. Well, if Bama beats LSU, the series is tied 1-1, no champ and if LSU wins, we already knew they were the better team. I will be boycotting the national championship game this year. It's a disgrace that the big 12 (the best conference according to the computers, the only non-bias way of determining it) only had 1 team in the BCS bowls. Both our teams were screwed tonight and it is unacceptable.
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ACC got 2 fing teams. wtf is that!
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I'm already over it because I think deep down we knew this would happen because this is what always happens but the leadership in this "conference" always has been and still is a joke!
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Conference leadership has always been on the side of the 'Big Name' schools - Texas and Oklahoma in Football and KU in Basketball.
That's just the way it is. Now to make the most of the Cotton Bowl Opportunity...
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I've had a night to sleep on it and I'm over it. Lets roll the Razorbacks.
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I am really excited for this game. Close for travel and will be a more exciting match-up :)
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As a fan I am over it and got my tickets. However, I feel terrible for the players. When they bust their butt, and we know they do under Snyder, they deserved the highest bowl possible. If they went into Sunday night with high hopes of getting a BCS bowl (sure they would since we all did), I just feel sorry for them getting let down for their success. Inside I feel for them, outside I am ready for a Arkansas beat down, and hopefully the fans show up so the youngsters are pumped!
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Got 3 tickets see you there. F the bcs