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Wildcat Sports => Football => Topic started by: Lynch on August 12, 2011, 02:55:34 PM
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Texas Rep. Dan Branch said a meeting of the Higher Education Committee of the state's House of Representatives has been scheduled for Tuesday in part "because we are hearing Texas A&M and the SEC are talking more seriously and we are hearing about a possible vote (for invitation) by SEC presidents."
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6857085/sec-high-demand-texas-florida-state-talk-simmers (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6857085/sec-high-demand-texas-florida-state-talk-simmers)
Decided to start a new thread because this is starting to get serious. I can't imagine a world where Texas A&M can't bitch about Texas. What's next Okie light is going to leave OU good luck ridding without the training wheels.
So glad we are so superior we can just take our pick of conferences (as I turn my head from left to right looking to the BIG buildings in the East and the glorious Mountains in the West.)
:Salute:
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Wasn't it A&M that was adamant about making sure they received compensation if revenues fell below a certain amount with the departure of Colorado and Nebraska (to be made up from KU, KSU, ISU, etc. share) and Texas and OU didn't think that was right ?
All I can say is:
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And don't let the door hit you on the way out.
:shakingfist:
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Texas A&M, Missouri, Clemson and Florida State are SEC bound according to ESPN. We don't have any choice but to get out too, do we?
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Missouri will get left behind again.
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Missouri AD tells the St. Louis newspaper that they're not going anywhere.
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Cyclist hit the nail on the head.
Losing A&M is not the end of the world. We can operate as a 9 team league (8 game conference schedule in football, 16 game home-home schedule in basketball would be more ideal than current system) or make a call to another school like...
BYU
Houston or TCU
Cincinnati
Louisville
and fill the Aggies vacancy.
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My Facebook exchange with Kinch O'Kelley:
WIBW Kinch O'Kelley
Texas A&M leaving the Big 12 for the greener grass of the SEC. The Missouri Tigers claim they are staying put in the Big 12, for now. SEC wants a super conference with 16 teams and is looking at Florida State and Clemson as possible additions. What a fun day!
Me:
I love all of this but I'd love it even more if I heard more about my team (KSU). If you have four 16 team super conferences that's 64 teams. You could take the four winners of those conferences and have semifinals and a National Championsh...ip game. All of the other bowl eligible teams out of those conferences could go to the minor bowl games. My question is this: Clearly nobody wants to be in the Big XII, so why haven't teams like KSU been proactive and made alternative arrangements? Maybe they have and we just haven't heard yet? Pretty soon there will be nowhere to go. We'll be regulated to the Mountain West or something. I know college sports don't do these things for basketball but do you think Frank is looking forward to coaching in the Mountain West? Not only could we get tossed out of a major football conference but we could lose our beloved basketball coach if we become "mid major" because you know programs will come after him again like Miami did. Or am I overreacting? Seriously, talk me down Kinch.
Him:
Ok, I'll try to do my best. I like the idea of 4 Super Conferences (SEC, Pac 16, Big East, & Big Ten) where the ACC goes is anybody's guess! You might not like what I have to say being a Wildcat fanatic, but the truth is that K-State has hitched their wagon to the Jayhawk horse. The feeling however is not reciprocated by the Hawks. KSU wants to go where ever KU goes if the Big 12 dissolves. The Mountain West wouldn't be the worst move in the world and would make sense for K-State, but KU won't go there, they are too hot a basketball commodity. The truth is that if the Mountain West comes knocking and KSU accepts, don't expect Frank to stick around. He is a good coach and will go some place will he will be fairly compensated or closer to home, because NO coach in the Mountain West is making close to what he is. Plus recruits go down, and so does the money. I wouldn't worry about anything until it happens, because my friend, you and I can't steer this ship, we are just passengers. The Big 12 is still intact for now, and it's in Texas's best interest to keep it together if they want their money and TV channel. That means Iowa State, K-State, Baylor, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech are the Longhorn's best friend's right now. I think it's up to Beebe to be PROACTIVE and try to bring back the number of teams in the conference. BYU and Louisville are teams I've heard might be interested in joining. He should have went hard after TCU last year when this was going on, plus I THINK they could probably pick up University of Houston(to replace the A&M tv market), Wyoming, Air Force, Rice and Southern Methodist. Bottom line is nothing is in concrete and we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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:herewego:
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Texas A&M intends to move from the Big 12 to the Southeastern Conference, where it hopes to begin play in 2012, school officials have said.
After 15 years in the Big 12, Texas A&M has been considering the switch for the second time in a year.
A high-ranking source within Texas A&M confirmed to ESPN's Doug Gottlieb on Saturday morning the Aggies were poised to join the SEC. The San Antonio Express-News reported the time frame of their tentative plans to begin competition.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6859115/texas-aggies-intend-join-sec-school-official-says (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6859115/texas-aggies-intend-join-sec-school-official-says)
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But wait, there's more:
Me
You're right. I don't like anything where I have to rely on That School to the East. On your point about That School to the East not wanting to go to the Mountain West because they're a hot basketball commodity, a hot commodity that can't get out of the First Round of the NCAA Tournament, what about the Pac 16 (which I believe is just 12 right now)? What about the Big East? What about the Big 10 (12 Part II)? What about the ACC? Any of those a potential landing spot for That School to the East and therefore the Cats? I have to believe that those conferences would keep Frank happy. We get to remain in a football powerhouse conference and we get to keep Frank happy. Everybody wins.
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I want to preface this post with the fact that absolutely nothing is certain, and 100% of news that is out there seems to be nothing more than twitter posts and facebook status updates.
I also want to preface that I have the utmost respect for k-state. As a fellow land-grand university, I know the reputation of the graduates you produce, as well as Auburn, Okie state, etc.
I have been on the fence regarding conference re-alignment from the very beginning. That being said, this is less about "look how big our balls are" and more about doing the best thing for Texas A&M University. After reading Spadilly's inquiries into the LHN via the Midnight Yell blog (http://themidnightyell.blogspot.com/), it is becoming clearer by the day that the Big 12 conference's days are limited.
I do not know the best thing for Texas A&M University, but I do know this: I do not think the best thing for us is to continue as is in the Big 12. While A&M is not without its faults, we have, for the most part, proceeded business with 1a) the best interest of Texas A&M, 1b) the best interest of the Big 12-2 conference. Based on recent news, it appears our friends in asstin don't share a similar goal.
Will we get destroyed the first few years in football in the SEC? Maybe so, though my naive self likes to think we'll be ok. Will we cash the checks worth millions of dollars more per year with a shit eating grin on our faces, while at the same time flying both birds in the direction of UT? Absofuckinglutely.
If you wish to stay in this conference and get butt fucked by UT (financially speaking, of course), be my guest. I hope they at least give you the courtesy of a reach-around in the process.
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A reach around from tejas? Yes please! But seriously we know we cant compete with then from a financial or recruiting aspect. Without the big12 kstate is in a dire situation, and more than likely will end up as a mid-major if it dissolves. So all of the fear/anger/uncertainty that this is generating has us old big12 north schools, including mizzou, extremely frantic.
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I think you guys will be just fine. You will end up in the Pac 10, Big East, etc, likely with a bigger pay day than you have today.
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This was a thead over on another topic I wanted to share here...
So since I'm hearing reports that the SEC is interested in A&M, nothing screams SOUTHEAST like College Station, Texas, shouldn't KSU consider being proactive and start looking for a new home? Just a thought!
The Big East already pre-approved KSU, KU, MU and ISU for full membership last year. I would assume that KU, KSU, and MU would be the 3 they would want beings they picked up TCU. We jus need to pick up the phone and make sure we still have a spot.
Is this true? I still struggle to see how the Big East is a bad thing for KSU. Our biggest competition would be TCU in a Big East-Western Division & we can continue to recruit out of the KS JC ranks, which is some of the best in the country. The only market that KSU wouldn't be seen in would be Houston, and we get exposure all over the east coast and Florida (USF). The Big East gets to have a football championship and could start their own network using basketball as the focal point-let's face it KU is coming along as well. If they could poach Duke and NC for basketball from the ACC, this could be a cash cow for the entire school year...
THIS. What a perfect out come this would be for us. I pray that our admins are seriously shopping us around real time right now. Not only would our Football be more competitive , but along with Big East Basketball we would constantly be on the East Coast televisions, which would help a TON recruiting out of New York and Florida.
Welcome to the site ahfish.
I just found this article from pre-TCU in the Big East:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/507968-big-east-approves-expansion-goal-of-10-teams
It would appear that KSU/KU/ISU/Mizzou was already on their radar. With TCU, they can drop ISU (sorry Cyclones) and wrap it all up. They'll have the DFW, KC & St Louis and all the little markets in the KS/MO/Tx Markets wrapped up...that's almost 6 million TV homes-it's like adding the #2 TV market in the country to your veiwership. (here's the link if you wanna do the math http://bit.ly/lqJhKA).
The only hiccup would be if ND decided that they should be part of the party in football...the hope here is that they would rather try to swing a BCS deal with an independent Texas.
And in case you wondered where the best NCAA TV viewing audiences are when it counts: http://bit.ly/cDWxPL
Somebody get Currie and Shultz on the phone-the longer I look at this the better it becomes. The Big East could rotate football championships between NY/STL/KC/Philadephia. Some pretty good looking NFL stadiums rich with their own history...
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Again I really hope they arn't just expecting the Big 12 to stay together and sitting on their thumbs as it crumbles around them. Maybe this is what I've come to expect with years of Weifald.
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open
So now all of this was for nothing?
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Well that about does that for 2011 Big 12 meltdown. Hope to see you all back here same time next year for part 3 of this epic journey.
Hopefully this time the Big 12(10) has figured out that expansion is a must and we need to start looking at adding 2 teams at the very minimum.
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What happens tommorrow when A&M's regents vote to move the school out of the Conference? I understand the SEC is saying they won't extend an offer now but there is nothing there to say that doesn't change next week.
Lynch you hit the nail right on the head though because through all of this, the old big 12 north has a lot to lose here. That is if the university isn't deligent.
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What's this I hear about an announcement tomorrow that will effect K-Staters worldwide?
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What's this I hear about an announcement tomorrow that will effect K-Staters worldwide?
http://vimeo.com/27686038
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Good article on the topic:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/08/14/texas.am.sec/
It should make this week very interesting, if nothing else.
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Of course it couldn't be something exciting like we're moving to a good conference or something
:riight:
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The plot thickens....
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6895751/texas-officially-notifies-big-12-conference-exploration
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This truly is a 100-year decision," Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin said in a release
So Joining the Big12 was just a 17 year decision. WTF?
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Coincidentally, SMU athletic director Steve Orsini made public his belief Thursday that the Mustangs are ready to join an automatic-qualifier BCS conference and has made his case to certain Big 12 officials.
If we are going to take a C*USA team i'd rather get UCF or Tulsa. I'd take all 3 if it gets us back to 12.
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The best thing about the article is the advertisement at the top featuring UT vs Rice on TLN.
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AH I missed that one! I'll try to get a screen pic if it comes back up.
Welcome to the site Josh!
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From JC
The Big 12
You have likely already read yesterday's release from Texas A&M regarding its intentions to explore other conference options. We continue to work under the leadership of the conference office on our No. 1 goal of convincing the Aggies to remain part of the tremendous potential future of the Big 12. There is great solidarity among the other nine institutions and an eagerness to achieve the stability our students, fans and alumni deserve.
President Schulz and I remain actively engaged with our Big 12 partners, including Texas A&M, and we will continue to keep our fans informed of significant developments.
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Now, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has responded, confirming reports that the Big 12 is set on expansion should the Aggies leave, but reiterating the league's "strong desire" that the Aggies stay.
"The letter received today from Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin will be addressed by the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors," he said. "It remains our strong desire for Texas A&M to continue as a member of the Big 12 and we are working toward that end. However, if it is decided otherwise, the Conference is poised to move aggressively with options."
The Longhorn Network, which launches Friday, has no programming scheduled that includes coverage of high school sports, according to Stephanie Druley, the vice president of production for the network.
The NCAA has ruled that networks affiliated with schools and conferences cannot carry programming and highlights involving prospects —- potential recruits.
Can't Beebe just say GTFO. This argument that Texas will be getting such a competitive advantage is BS and has been all along. As I've been told only 1 small neighborhood network has picked up the Longhorn network and it's not looking to promising... yet. A&M just needs to come out and say "we just really want to be in the SEC" and stop blaming Texas. It reminds me of Nebraska they always wanted Big 10 and they got it and their excuse was Texas made them go. BS! They got exactly what they wanted but didn't want to look like the assholes who broke up the Big12.
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[urlhttp://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1261679[/url]
Chip Brown
Orangebloods.com Columnist
Talk about it in Inside the 40 Acres
Hold everything folks.
The Southeastern Conference presidents met Tuesday night and voted to admit Texas A&M. But the vote came with a stipulation that still must be worked out.
The SEC presidents voted to admit Texas A&M as the 13th member of that league so long as each individual member of the Big 12 waives its right to litigation against the SEC.
And it was unclear Tuesday night if all nine remaining members of the Big 12 would waive that right, sources said. The Big 12 schools were expected to discuss the matter on Wednesday, sources said. That's the same day Texas A&M has planned a celebration in College Station to announce its admission into the SEC, sources said.
If even one of the Big 12 schools refuse to waive their right to sue the SEC over its courtship of Texas A&M, the SEC could withdraw its vote to admit A&M, sources said.
After letters were exchanged by SEC commissioner Mike Slive and Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe Tuesday, Beebe told Slive the Big 12 conference office had waived its right to litigate against Texas A&M or the SEC but that the Big 12's waiver was not binding on the individual members of the Big 12, sources said.
The SEC indicated it would admit Texas A&M only upon condition that each individual member of the Big 12 waive its right to sue the SEC, sources said.
And that condition was in doubt Tuesday night, sources said.
Stay tuned.
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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110907/SPORTS020602/110907016/Iowa-State-retains-legal-rights-to-block-Texas-A-M-departure (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110907/SPORTS020602/110907016/Iowa-State-retains-legal-rights-to-block-Texas-A-M-departure)
As I mentioned in another post, doesn't make sense that ISU isn't on the Baylor bandwagon. Well.... they are. Since my days in law school (none), I would assume this isn't an easy settlement outside of courts, this seems like a 1 to 2 year deal. Both school are lucking out due to the brand new tv contract, and if A&M can't go anywhere, neither can OU and the rest which is exactly what Baylor needs... till the contract expires.
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Most unlikely of heroes
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hahaha, brilliant
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There are a lot of Ags, especially on TexAgs that are upset at Baylor and Iowa State, and I used to be one of them.
The truth is, those two schools are royally screwed if the big 12 defaults. I've quoted on here that the move to the SEC is in the best interest of A&M. The more I think about it, the more I realize that it is in those two schools best interest in either keeping the big 12 together, or receiving some form of financial compensation. I can't fault them for acting in their best interest.
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Texas A&M's move to the SEC ultimately would happen if Oklahoma stays put in the Big 12, but until that occurs eight of the remaining nine Big 12 schools will not waive their right to pursue litigation against the SEC and A&M, a source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com.
It's now a fellowship!
(http://www.theargonath.cc/pictures/fellowship/fellowship8.jpg)
During Wednesday's call, the source said Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin asked if the schools would waive their right to litigation and only one -- Oklahoma -- agreed to do so. Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State, Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State would not, the source said.
OU would be Boromir in the above picture.
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(http://www.kstatenation.com/images/stories/fellowship8.jpg)
:Salute:
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Did you put thought into who would recieve what badge? They are all pretty good except.... switch KSU and Tech around. Duh
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Oh what the heck...I'll play.
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Did you put thought into who would recieve what badge? They are all pretty good except.... switch KSU and Tech around. Duh
Trying to keep all the schools that will stay together.
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So, here is what I'm hearing through the grapevine:
UT met with OU to talk about keeping the Big 12 together so they could keep the Longhorn Network. OU told UT what they wanted to see with the Longhorn Network and UT said they couldn't do that. OU said they will be leaving the conference then and thus starting the end of the Big 12.
This will most likely take place in the next 2 weeks, but the way things have been going, may take longer.
A&M - Move to SEC
OU - Move to Pac-12
OSU - Move to Pac-12
UT - Swallows pride, gets rid of Longhorn Network and moves to Pac-12
Tech - Move to Pac-12
KU - Move to Big East
KSU - Move to Big East
Mizzou - Move to Big East, SEC, or Big 10 (most likely one of the first 2)
ISU - No clue on this, could be Big East or Big 10
Baylor - Screwed in all scenarios
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I want to go to the Big East