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Wildcat Sports => Basketball => Topic started by: cf0102 on January 05, 2011, 04:33:40 PM
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The Cowboys are 12-2 with a win over Missouri State and a loss at Gonzaga. The Cowboys return 3 starters from last season (a squad that posted a 22-11 overall record, including a 9-7 mark in the Big XII Conference). The Cowboys are projected to finish 8th in the Big XII Conference.
The Cowboys are lead by F Marshall Moses, G Keiton Page and F J.P. Olukemi. Moses is averaging 17 points/game (leads the team), 8 rebounds/game (co leads the team with F Darrell Williams) and 1 assist/game. Williams is a transfer from Midland (Texas) Community College whose other offers were from DePaul, Gonzaga and St. John's.
Page is averaging 14 points/game, 2 rebounds/game and 2 assists/game. Page, a junior who looks less like a Big 12 player than anybody else in the Big 12, was OSU's third-leading scorer last season, averaging 11 points and 3 assists per game while shooting 38% from three-point range, a figure that includes some preposterously long shots.
Olukemi is averaging 10 points/game, 4 rebounds/game and 1 assist/game. Olukemi is another JUCO transfer who head coach Travis Ford says needs to adjust to Division I basketball but will probably play a lot.
G Ray Penn leads the team in assists with 3 assists/game. Penn was starting until a stress reaction in his heel cost him most of the Big 12 season. He is part of the reason Ford is so excited about the athleticism and versatility of this year's team, and Penn is already 100 percent again.
This Cowboys team is a team that could have struggled early with all of the newcomers. Having Penn back and healthy should be a big boost to a team that really didn't have much of a point guard the second half of last season. The Cowboys will struggle because they don't have James Anderson or Obi Muonelo to create match-up problems. The Cowboys are going to need Williams to be problematic for opposing defenses. This looks like a team that is going to spend most of the season on "The Bubble". Right now Joey Brackets has the Cowboys in his "First Four Out".
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What year is Keiton Page? I hate this guy... he is so dangerous from behind the arc.
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They really remind me of KSU over the past couple years. A team that could beat anyone, but at the end of the year, end up on the bubble as you mentioned above.
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Keiton Paige is my archrival! It's not fair that he is a short chubby white kid that's good at Basketball and that I can't be. DAMN HIM!
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Paige is a senior. I will give more of a breakdown on match ups later
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:popcorn:
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cf0102 CONGRATS!!! - "A Look at" Nation Asst. Cat
Well earned. Keep up the great work. A lot of discussions come from those posts! :Salute:
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Here is what I see with out looking up stats, just doing the eye test. With the departure of Anderson they lack that go to guy. Paige has been inconsistant at best this year. Not saying he is any less dangerous, knowing our luck he will light us up from 3 once again. Ray Penn was over rated last year. Their best guys are Moses and Sidorakis . Pilgrim has let himself get in trouble because of his emotions. You can get in his head and rattle him.
With Pullen back and the emergence of Judge. Wally showing us the guy we believed he would be. Averaging a double double over the last 4 games. Jamar has taken on a leadership role and has become a better more well rounded player because of it. Myles is coming on strong, Spradling is very consistant. The Cats have figured out that they can score with out Pullen and Kelly on the floor. There was very little drop off if any when Pullen sat down for a breather. They are enjoying themselves on the floor again. I haven't seen them like this since the Xavier game last year. We are the deeper, more talented team. But does playing in Stilwater make up for the difference in talent ? I don't believe so. I believe Pullen and JamSam will have the team ready for pay back for last year. :Salute:
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cf0102 CONGRATS!!! - "A Look at" Nation Asst. Cat
Well earned. Keep up the great work. A lot of discussions come from those posts! :Salute:
I don't know what to say. I've been waiting for this day my entire life. I'd like to thank.....The little people?
:Salute:
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Confidence in this game is rising after an article I read this morning. Will post more info in the Judge thread!
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Don't underestimate Pilgrim, he can be very dangerous....as long as he stays out of foul trouble. He's an incredibly gifted athlete with a lot to learn about the mental side of the game.
We all wish we had Paige's skill but not stature ;D
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First big 12 game for both. Both rather physical teams, espically in the post. Over/under on techs?
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Technicals depend on how the game goes. If K-State is in a slump I could see us getting 1 (not Frank, but a player). If we are as Physical as we can be and doing OK, I see OSU getting frustrated and possibly trying to match our physicality with a stupid mistake.
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The wait is almost over... I really hate these Monday->Saturday stretches!
Go State.
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Iba is empty.
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Well good bye top 25.
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I don't understand why we changed a rotation that was working . Myles should of seen the court alond with Southwell. We should fair better next game, then Kelly will be back and hopefully he returns re energized. Because it looks like if we are to have any hope of tourney play, we need him.
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As expected.... not a pretty game for either team. The refs were pretty inconsistent the whole game. They would go on a spurt of calling everything and then completely forgetting that they had a whistle for a few minutes after that. Still don't know if I learned anything about either team. Looks like it could be an up and down year for both teams... You guys really need Kelly back, Judge looked very lost on the defensive side and I don't remember hearing much about him on the scoring end either, so I'm not sure if he scored a lot in this one or not.
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As expected.... not a pretty game for either team. The refs were pretty inconsistent the whole game. They would go on a spurt of calling everything and then completely forgetting that they had a whistle for a few minutes after that. Still don't know if I learned anything about either team. Looks like it could be an up and down year for both teams... You guys really need Kelly back, Judge looked very lost on the defensive side and I don't remember hearing much about him on the scoring end either, so I'm not sure if he scored a lot in this one or not.
I had about the same post game thoughts. I was hoping this cleared up a big ? above our heads, but I am not sure now. I know the team is 80% mental right now, and if we don't take care of Col and Tech, then... omgggg.
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Lynch projected the technical situation correctly. That was frustration that got the player in trouble... and on the team that was letting the lead slip away.
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Our "bigs" got absolutely schooled in the paint on both sides of the ball. We never had an answer for Moses. Definitely needed Kelly for this one!
And what was the reasoning for benching Pullen the last couple minutes of the game? Was Frank trying to send a message to Jake? I thought he looked less than enthusiastic to be out there on the floor.
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Jake tried to reach around a screen on one of the late drives and this resulted in JamSams (I think) 5th foul. Basically he was sending the message if your not going to play the defense then you're going to sit.
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If anyone can find some Frank Quotes that would be just great. K thanks.
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No need for a meltdown. Missouri, Kentucky, Georgetown, Central Florida, Michigan State and Vanderbilt all lost.
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No need for a meltdown. Missouri, Kentucky, Georgetown, Central Florida, Michigan State and Vanderbilt all lost.
I know, right ? the sky is falling, the sky is fallig. :64-0: :palm:
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I don't think anyone is melting down (yet). Just stating the facts:
-K-State went from having a 49-41 lead to trailing 63-54 in the span of 4 minutes, 40 seconds
-We had 21 turnovers and six assists
-Six players fouled out and four others had four fouls
-Wildcats haven't beaten a quality opponent since winning at Washington State on Dec. 3
-Pullen sat out the final 3:01 of the game
Pullen isn't himself. Kelly can't get on the floor. Samuels is up and down. They're supposed to be guys driving this bus.
The only improved player from a season ago is McGruder, an offensive force who is rounding out his game in all areas but made a few key mistakes Saturday.
In the grand scheme of things, losing one game isn't a big deal. Remember, K-State lost to Oklahoma State at Bramlage Coliseum last season and things turned out all right.
But I don't like what I'm seeing from this team. They're missing some of their fight and toughness.
It's obvious that we are not as good as everyone thought we were, coming into this season. But Mr. Lutz is right, this was just one game. And lucky for us, it was the first Big 12 game of our schedule and we can turn it around. It just scares me that we are seeing the same inconsistencies over and over again.
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If anyone can find some Frank Quotes that would be just great. K thanks.
I can't find any quotes from Frank. Just comments that he was rather upbeat during the presser, despite the loss.
Interesting note, the players did NOT speak to the media after the game.
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We waited for about 20-30 minutes for the players to exit the building after the game. We were told that the ones that don't talk to the media generally are out to the bus rather quickly after a game. They must have got an ear full in the locker room if non of them talked to the media.
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"The one constant with our bigs, which I'm unhappy again today, it's a twofold thing: turnovers on offense, lack of defensive rebounding," Wildcats coach Frank Martin said. "If you look, that's what we had today. Our front line had turnovers on offense and very little defensive rebounds."
"We made free throws today and we couldn't do much else right," Martin said. "It was a hard, physical game."
We were pretty good today for about 31 minutes. We didn't handle a three-minute segment of the game very well," Martin said. "It's our job to go teach our guys and understand the things that hurt us, why those mistakes cost you games. We'll do that.
"I'm not into predicting, but I think our guys will come back and be prepared and excited to go."
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Some bright spots in Saturdays loss to Okie State:
- The Wildcats shot 77.4 percent from the free-throw line hitting on 24-of-31 attempts
- K-State out-rebounded OSU 38-33 (the Cats rank 7th in the nation)
- Rodney McGruder posted double digits with 19 points marking his fourth game in the last five scoring 10+… In that span he has averaged 15.6 points a game… McGruder pulled down 6 rebounds to lead the team in the effort as well
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I noticed the 2 games CK was sitting on the bench, the bigs had more of anattitude out there and played better. He has to stay home on saturday and they really stunk it up. I'm wondering if he had been doing some bench coaching or if it was playing in Bram. We will fid out this week. :popcorn:
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What scares me is that 6 rebounds was a team leading effort. Not even to mention that it is once again McGruder that leads the team in rebounds. NEVER in my wildest dreams did I think rebounding was going to be an easy before this season started.
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Technicals depend on how the game goes. If K-State is in a slump I could see us getting 1 (not Frank, but a player). If we are as Physical as we can be and doing OK, I see OSU getting frustrated and possibly trying to match our physicality with a stupid mistake.
Boy Lynch, you nailed it. Samuels getting a technical. The only problem is the rest of your statement went the other way. We weren't physical....our bigs were totally owned. And not because Kelly wasn't there...he would have been owned just as much and would have probably got a technical for whining.
This definitely is not the same team as last year. I hate to admit it, but we will be lucky to get into the dance.
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Yah, that's why I said "IF" we are as physical as we can be. It's kind of hit and miss for this team. It's almost like if they KNOW for a fact they are the dominate team physically they will drop the hammer, but are timmid around closely matched teams.